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Transcript with my own commentary.
Here again in the complete transcript with my own observations and comments in blue. When Derek talks to his spirit guide Sam Ive identified this in red.
Okay, Ive become, just a couple of seconds ago, aware as Sam quietly said to me, a lovely lady wanted to step forward, Im aware of her energy here with me. Um, I feel that Sams also giving me a few maybe shes finding it difficult to converse directly with me."
Due to the somewhat confusing use of language its difficult to know what is actually taking place at this point. Im aware of her energy here with me could mean almost anything. Can he see her Hear her Yet he says she is lovely and she wanted to step forward. Is he actually describing a scene or just being allegorical The fact that it is so unclear is useful should any medium be asked to explain what is actually happening .
I will describe her first to you through um, the warmth thats coming from her is that I feel this lovely lady please, I feel it would have been she would have been the mother of a lot of children in her physical life.
Derek is still making things obscure. He offers to describe her, and goes on to do so, but he says something about warmth and uses phrases like I feel which are somewhat meaningless. If I were describing someone to the police I wouldnt say, I feel and I wouldnt mention things like warmth. Also A lot of children How many Why not ask her or Sam
When I say a lot I mean more than the average, probably 5, 6 maybe 7, maybe a little bit more because I feel like this like great warmth of a woman whos brought children to the earth.
Children to the earth very poetic. She gave birth to children, most mothers do. I still fail to see why, having given a precise surname, she cannot be exact about how many children she had.
Um shes smiling at me so she must be agreeing.
So Derek can actually see her.
Um, I also feel with her that she had um, a condition, a health condition, um that was there for a number of years she battled on.
She cant say what it was Cancer Heart disease Kidney disease
Shes a real battler and I dont feel, she wont mind me saying this, and its not the way shes dressed what Im seeing her in, but I just feel this about her as if she didnt have whereas material things are concerned such as, you know, a great deal of wealth or anything like that didnt matter to her as long as her kids were fed and you know clothed that. Shes a real star, a real angel [indistinct speaking to Sam, Ok thank you]. Shes talking about [What]. Shes giving the name, or is talking about Linda, um, but shes Mrs Curtis.
I would infer from this that Linda and Mrs Curtis are two different people.
So Ive got a lady here with me, a Mrs Curtis. She stands about 5 feet 4, 5 feet Shes looking at me as if to say, Im taller, but 5 feet 4 to 5 feet 5 and shes not a heavy set built lady. I would put, you know describe, describe, small middle and large and shes basically going from small to the middle okay
I suggest that we can assume Derek can actually see the woman and how shes dressed. Why then there should be any problem in communicating clearly is difficult to understand. She could surely be holding up a sign saying, My name is Lynn Curtis and I came from a large family. My husband was Reg who was the local rag and bone man in Croydon in 1967.
I feel she suffered a um, it wasnt a coma but she went into a, she had, some kind of fit. [Whats she had Sam Okay]. And when she was whisked to hospital she then slipped into this sleep like coma and I think she was like that for maybe, in our time, days and then she, and then she just slipped over.
Hardly an adequate description of cause of death. As mentioned a coma is simply unconsciousness. Was she like this on a life support machine for weeks Which hospital was she whisked to
So I feel her family here to the earth would be very aware of what Ive just described. Um, with Mrs Curtis Ive just got this feeling would or Linda be out here the connection out here with Linda. [Yes okay].
Shes also telling me talking about [who Reg What is Reg to her] Reg is family okay. So I dont know if Reg is out there as well. But theres a connection with Linda and Reg.
Having two names obviously increases the possibility of finding a match. Strangely we have no first name for Mrs Curtis and no surname for Linda and Reg.
But she before anyone answers please Mrs Curtis [um, What When Oh.] and something else Im being told. This lovely lady although she had a number of children she lost 2 pregnancies so she would even have more children had those 2 come to the earth as well. So there could have possibly been 9 children that would have been, um bless her, linked to this lady.
Clearly Mrs Curtis was a very busy woman. I doubt that anyone could disprove that there were two miscarriages. We dont know if these pregnancies went full term and resulted in still births or whether she lost them early in pregnancy. But interestingly we get to the point where salt of the earth Mrs Curtis had an enormous number of children only for this fact to be abandoned later in favour of her coming from a family with a number of children. Derek now tries to locate the audience member.
"I dont know where we are [where do I go Sam Where To the top] Okay sorry for pointing. Sams telling me to go up (points to back of audience to his left) okay I dont, I dont want to do what I did last night, get meself knackered running up to you okay And I dont want to pounce on you okay And I dont want to sweat, I want to try and stay dry okay. Now please who understands the description, the lovely name, how she passed and all the links that Ive given out (still pointing back, left). Up the top there.
Silence.
Not altogether a surprising silence as unless someone actually knew a deceased Mrs Curtis who had around 7 children and a Linda or Reg they arent going to stick their hand up. The rest of the information is too fuzzy to be useful.
At this point Derek turns to the camera man and says, Can you get me a cup of tea mate for us
(audience laughter)
[Ok,yeah] Sam says Ive given enough. [What do I do]
Sam's patience is obviously running a bit thin and so Derek gets down from the stage and runs to the back.
Audience applauds plucky Derek. A good idea to defuse a potentially tense moment with a little humour.
Right who in this area please, understands, the lovely spirit lady Mrs Curtis thats here with me If shes not a mother or a grandmother to you but youre aware of her please, let me explain the sequence of events that takes place. Invariably once shes said what she wants to say, cause shes not gonna budge, she came here for a purpose. However it doesnt mean to say that would be just her. Maybe close family members to the person who would receive could be in the queue just after her. Thats the way things happen back there.
Im not sure I can even translate this into English.
Someone appears to respond but doesnt have the microphone yet.
Okay firstly please are you aware of a lady please (jokingly) Why come here..
Drags the woman assistant holding with microphone by linking her arm. Dereks actions seem to suggest she wouldnt make it under her own steam.
Woman in audience (now with microphone): My father-in-laws name is Reg and he came from a big family. He had 7 or 8, maybe 9 or 10
D.A.: A couple of children lost also
Woman: I believe so.
Sounds promising.
D.A.: And also please the name Mrs Curtis
Woman: I dont know about Mrs Curtis.
Bugger. Still I think Derek could have salvaged this if he wanted to but it would have been hard work putting together a credible link.
D.A.: Alright but let me say to you please, can I say of a lady also please if you dont know, a description. I know what she, how she passed but are you not aware of this
What
Woman: Not really.
D.A.: This might not be you love okay, okay.
More generally to the immediate audience Derek continues.
Im still staying up here because the person is here. Sams telling me, youre here. Most important before anything else is the name Mrs Curtis. Thats before anything else.
Basically all he wants is a Mrs Curtis, the only essential requirement being that she is dead.
D.A.: Okay are you aware of Mrs Curtis
Someone else has tentatively responded (no microphone again but Derek has an exploratory chat). Derek can be heard to say, Right well she give Lynn didnt she
D.A.: to audience generally, We try, we just dont give it off to anyone. We stick until we find the person .
D.A.: to woman: Now thank you for speaking to me okay.
2nd Woman: Okay.
D.A.: And I might be able to go back to that stage in a minute once were, if the energy builds for me. Can I say to you please as youve just mentioned, the person youve mentioned Lynn Curtis but you didnt understand the children.
didnt understand the children, could mean anything. The woman may have said before being handed the microphone that the Mrs Curtis she knew never had children at all.
2nd Woman: Thats what confused me.
D.A.: Also please would you understand about how Mrs Curtis passed, did she as I described earlier on the stage, or Lynn Curtis to you
2nd Woman: The Mrs Curtis I knew did slip into a coma.
D.A.: Yes, okay now I know that this, she was giving me the condition would you be aware then it could be me thats getting this wrong in the interpretation. Would Mrs Curtis, to your knowledge, be one of a number of children herself
2nd Woman: Yes she was.
Derek returns to the stage.
Bingo. We have a match - but only just. A Mrs Curtis who was unconscious before dying. Can anyone really claim this is enough to be sure we are talking about the same person. I honestly believe it isnt. Apparently Mrs Curtis may well have been childless but had lots of brothers and sisters. Oh no we dont just pick anyone you know.
D.A.: [ Okay, alright. Okay Sam] And I can tell you Mrs Curtis, just as I was coming up here, I can hear her going , 'Yes, yes, yes'.
Derek can actually hear Mrs Curtis then. This makes the mix up even more confusing. I still cant understand why Sam, or Mrs Curtis, cant give the name or exact location of the person she is trying to contact. If she is now confirming that this is the correct person she must have known this all along. This is confirmed later when Mrs Curtis admits she has been snooping on the womans family.
D.A. continues: Um Can I say to you please, the reason why shes come here is because knowing, okay, might not be a family member close but she understood that someones connected or knows the family. Theres a likelihood okay. You say no if thats not so. But theres the likelihood that you would cross the path or see that family that she comes from
Translated I understand this to mean that Mrs Curtis has turned up realising that she might not get an actual family member and instead has selected someone who might come into contact with the Curtis family. This means Derek cant really give a personal message to the woman directly as she, like Derek, is to act as an intermediary. Therefore we now arrive at the situation where Mrs Curtis is talking to Sam, Sam is talking to Derek, Derek is talking to an unnamed member of the audience who will in turn speak to an unidentified member of the Curtis family. Good grief!
2nd Woman: In the future maybe.
Doesnt sound certain and as we learn later she never meets them.
D.A.: Okay, well, whatever.
This actually sounds quite comical when you hear it. It's like Derek just wants to get on now and not go down any more blind alleys.
Can I say to you please shes making me aware shes showing me healing colours and what that means is thats only 1 of 2 things. That around the links with the family shes concerned, this lovely spirit lady, shes concerned, that someone is not just out of sorts, not just out of colour, but is hurting and is a condition that is I feel either been treated or theres treatment to come. Now its only 1 of 2. Its either happening around you, which I doubt, but I feel more, I want to say that the family she comes from. Now would you unders, sorry for going on about this but, theres not a health condition linked very close to you at this moment
I havent counted but there are two things Derek says a lot. One is, Can I say to you please which is pretty much superfluous and the other is Okay. These can both be quite useful as they turn virtually everything into a question, although it isnt always clear what the question is.
It seems at this point Sam and/or Mrs Curtis has stopped speaking and are instead resorting to showing symbolic, and unspecified, healing colours. Irritatingly they leave Derek to guess what they are on about. Derek routinely chats to Sam as if he is a normal person standing next to him and yet when he isnt sure what direction to take he resorts to symbols and seems to expect the woman to help interpret Sams actual intent.
2nd Woman: Yes there is. I suffer from chronic depression.
D.A.: You do
Derek hadnt really counted on this and sounds a little surprised. The problem is meant to be with the Curtis family otherwise why would a complete stranger come through and not one of the womans own relatives
2nd Woman: Yes.
D.A.: Okay well Im going to say to you please shes a very kindred lady. She hasnt come basically over your depression. She come over a more, I feel someone has got a condition that she feared might not be corrected or cured.
Again a strange choice of phrase, a kindred lady. The language once again becomes even vaguer with terms like, I feel someone a condition. We are now seeing the way a medium has to fish around for information. If Derek is being told this information by Sam he doesnt need to stop and check his progress every step of the way with the woman.
2nd Woman: Yeah.
Why did she respond in the affirmative
D.A.: Okay. And Sams just told me here please that shes also aware that this persons told, like the doctor, we can treat but we cant promise cure. And thats not for you okay
2nd Woman: Okay.
Obviously as this information is for a family who isnt there Derek can pretty much say what he likes without much fear of contradiction.
D.A.: I want you to watch please because I feel shes going to, in some manner, okay Get you, make sure theres gonna be a connection for you linked with this family okay
2nd Woman: Yes.
D.A. And maybe, Im being told your role is to say that shes been visiting, she has been around this family member and, what can I say other than shes been asking for what healing can be given to the family member. Okay
2nd Woman: Yes okay.
This poor woman is now burdened with the task of finding the Curtises and telling them a Mrs Curtis spoke through Acorah at a Croydon theatre and wants them to know one of them has an incurable illness. The mind boggles to think how they might react. Of course if they react angrily Derek wont get any comeback.
D.A.: (somewhat suddenly) Oh I got to say, [link, is it Yeah, okay] who is John
How he has the brass neck to ask this I have no idea. Apart from the ludicrous scenario of asking a direct question about an obviously common name he is using a technique so utterly obvious that its almost a caricature.
2nd Woman: (Shrugs)
D.A.: John
2nd Woman: Dont know anyone off hand.
D.A.: Not in spirit, physical John. Shes mentioned the name John and laughing.
2nd Woman: Oh, um, sorry. My brothers middle names John.
Phew! She finally found a John but its hardly impressive. If her brother usually identified himself by his middle name it would have been obvious but he clearly doesnt. However Derek readily accepts this as the correct person. No further description such as a surname (or even his first name) is offered.
Derek has simply thrown out a name without giving any context whatsoever. All he is doing is asking if she knows anyone called John and you dont need to be psychic to do that.
D.A.: Can I say to you please, just recently, um not that Johns crazy, forgive me for saying that, but did he do crazy things, John
Now we are blatantly asking questions without giving any reason for doing so.
Derek can now select a suitable response regardless of what she says. Supposing she replied that he never does crazy things All he needs to say is, Well Im being told he should be. Hes too serious theyre saying. He needs to lighten up.
2nd Woman: Yeah, hes a likeable rogue.
D.A.: Well shes been looking in and shes going like this, tutting. Talk about John. Now Ive got to find out what shes looked at, whats she seen. [Okay, Hes not in trouble okay. Will the good lady get to know about this Is she meant to get to know about it Were not telling tales Okay Ill tell her] John, it appears, why shes come in visitation I dont know. But shes noticed John hiding a package. (pauses) And Ive just asked what it is and she said money. Now.
This is somewhat bizarre even by spiritualist standards. We are now being asked to accept that Mrs Curtis has been monitoring the movements of this womans brother. Mrs Curtis was therefore obviously aware of the womans family and one wonders why she didnt mention this when Derek was trying so hard to find the right person in the audience. She knew John was her brother but doesnt actually know her name, otherwise she would have surely mentioned it.
We also get this rather dodgy situation of her brother hiding a package of money.
2nd Woman: That wouldnt surprise me.
D.A.: Shes just told Sam only 3 days ago. Now
2nd Woman: That wouldnt surprise me.
D.A.: Now youre going to hear news about this okay.
But fortunately Derek will have long since disappeared by then.
2nd Woman: Okay.
D.A.: Now hes not going to get into trouble with any authorities or anything like that. Okay
Why not It all sounds highly suspicious.
2nd Woman: Okay.
D.A.: John on me back. (audience laughter). But shes saying I feel theres going to be a celebration but hes hidden this package of money. Its not been got from any ill deed or anything like that. But there will be a party. Hell be throwing a party, everyone will gather. Will you watch out for this
Theres a celebration coming up soon is a standard line for mediums. No hint as to what the celebration might be or exactly how soon, the dead prefer to be vague. However it still seems unclear why her brother would hide a package of money for this purpose. A debit or credit card would be easier. I do accept that it is within the realms of possibility but its near the outer limits.
2nd Woman: Yes. Will do.
D.A.: [Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.] Shes also, while shes here please [they said what Do I do that Has she asked me to heal her Okay thank you]
Derek now comes up to the lady and carries out some form of spiritual healing and talks to her quietly. Then returns to the stage.
A nonsensical side show with Derek making mystical movements around the womans head. If she is on medication one wonders if she will stop taking it as a result Derek knows nothing about this womans condition or why she has it. I hope she has the sense to see it for what it is nonsense.
D.A.: [She wants it to stop there Okay] I know you said earlier cause Sams repeating that to me. You know in the future you will see the links with her family, it will be a lot sooner than the future. Believe me okay
Sooner than the future
2nd Woman: Yes.
D.A.: Will do.
D.A.: But I do know because it has been pointed out to me that the person whos ill, whose treatment cannot change things. She I believe, in the coming months, before the years through will be receiving and helping that person on the journey to the higher side of life. To a new life. So youll realise how important it is if you would be that angel of light and mercy for that family, okay Alright"
Yes of course all she has to do is tell them one of them is about to die. Even if this were true perhaps the person in question hasnt told the family.
Logically, from Mrs Curtiss viewpoint this is no big deal anyway. Dying isnt anything to be concerned about at all so whats the necessity of sending this woman off to warn them
I wouldnt be at all surprised whether shes been, as shes grounded herself coming to the atmosphere and stayed here specially around the family. That family members have been receiving, getting a lot of things happening in their respective homes in the sense of phenomena okay Things happening and saying, Whats causing this and it her concern for this family okay So please accept that love okay, and thank you because youve well pleased her, okay.
Bless you. Ladies and gentlemen, for the lovely lady.
Applause.
This is taken from the The Guardian article by Charles Nevin ;
A few weeks later, I spoke to the audience member. She couldn't find the Curtis family, with whom she'd lost touch, but she did feel better herself. And her brother had been given a package that week, a birthday present from his grandson. She said she thought there was something in the healing, but she wasn't so sure about the rest of it.
So she never found the Curtis family to give them the exciting news that one of them was about to die and John wasnt hiding a package of cash after all. He did get a present on his birthday though. Mrs Curtis neednt have bothered coming through really. Sam really must do somthing about these time wasters.
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Addendum,
As you may have read in various Commentary postings Most Haunted/Antix Productions used an entirely fictitious history for Barnes Hospital in Cheadle. Also during various episodes Derek Acorah portrays himself as being possessed by various dead spirits. Some of these appear to be people who actually lived.
What right does Acorah have to trample on the memories of people who once lived None at all, so please consider the following as pay back time.
Sam (Masuami)
Although there are no historical records about Sam I have uncovered previously unknown facts using a Ouija board which led to Sam's temporary possession of my body.
It seems Sam was cast out from his village after he repeatedly exposed himself to local women. This was the last straw and followed a reign of terror perpetrated on the rest of his village. Tribal elders had often expressed concern about Sams rather unnatural relationship with the tribes sheep but this was never proven as none of the sheep dared to bleat out.
He was implicated in the brutal murder a local chief by boiling him alive in oil and then chopping up the remains and serving them to his cat. He also ran the local brothel and developed a range of hallucinogenic drugs from a cactus which he sold to the village children.
All this paled into insignificance compared to his appalling record as a healer and medium. Although he claimed to heal people, for a price, they died anyway. However using his talents as a medium he claimed that after they had passed over they got in touch to say how pleased they were with him and that they would like to leave all their worldly belongings (including sheep) to him.
After his expulsion from the village he spent the rest of his life wandering from place to place until he met an unfortunate end involving an unusually angry sheep that had apparently taken an excessive amount of a cactus based narcotic. All that was found was one of his partially eaten sandals.
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